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anonsrus - May 11, 2008 08:53 AM (GMT)
We really need this sorted for the next one.

The council must be bugged for the next 34 days.

I do reckon the Scilons have a part in this, as when they didn't know we were raiding, leaflets were fine.

Necrosis - May 11, 2008 11:37 AM (GMT)
I don't mind ringing or e-mail the council to obtain permission. Or just helping out elsewhere. I plan on bringing about 500/600 leaflets to the next protest. I brought 280 yesterday and they went fast.

nail - May 11, 2008 02:38 PM (GMT)
I should be able to provide maybe 200 if we get the permission.

Falco - May 11, 2008 02:40 PM (GMT)
300+ from me again I reckon.

anonymousse - May 11, 2008 10:03 PM (GMT)
As in April when I supplied 400+ leaflets, I will gladly bring them in similar numbers as long as I know that the Council will let us and bobbies off the street won't ask us to stop.

Anon76 - May 11, 2008 10:27 PM (GMT)
I'll Email Mahendra Chauhan again tomorrow.

We also need backup if they give us a negative answer so I'll also contact Liberty, they are big supporters of the right to protest and free-speech.

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/index.shtml

almajir - May 11, 2008 10:46 PM (GMT)
I'm going to see how many I can get done also, plan on bringing as many as possible.

Swifty - May 12, 2008 03:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Anon76 @ May 11 2008, 10:27 PM)
I'll Email Mahendra Chauhan again tomorrow.

We also need backup if they give us a negative answer so I'll also contact Liberty, they are big supporters of the right to protest and free-speech.

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/index.shtml

sounds like a good idear

anonymitts - May 12, 2008 03:52 PM (GMT)
76:
When we contact the council, I think we should push the political aspect of the movement more. It may not seem it to some, but we are a political movement with an agenda to remove the Church of Scientology as an organisation from Birmingham and educate the people of the world on the dangers of the Church and that it must not be classed as a religion without major change.

If anyone in the council argues that this is not politics then they shouldn't be doing the job.



anonsrus - May 12, 2008 03:54 PM (GMT)
^ This.

I've said for a long time that in my opinion the human rights / religious angle is not the best. Politics is the easiest way about it, because if it comes down to it, we can form a party, for a few quid, and have our leaflets back.

If the BNP get to leaflet, those evil fucks, why can't we?

Lulz0matic - May 12, 2008 06:30 PM (GMT)
We can be party? =O

DaftHats - May 12, 2008 09:01 PM (GMT)
What would be our political slogan, 'For LULZ and caek!'?

anonymitts - May 12, 2008 09:15 PM (GMT)
Nah, our logo should be in the words of Swifty:

Anonymous: this man has his prioratys strate!

anonsrus - May 12, 2008 09:16 PM (GMT)
DEFINITELY.

Anon76 - May 12, 2008 09:17 PM (GMT)
Been doing a bit of research and have found some useful info about similar cases in the past.

I'll update you tomorrow.

Anon76 - May 13, 2008 08:56 AM (GMT)
Update of my research, as promised:

Case 1
Nottingham city council sent an email to someone following an enquiry regarding the leafleting for political causes issue:

QUOTE
In terms of political purposes the Sec of State has suggested a wide interpretation be made and that the intention is not to inhibit thye right of freedom of expression and freedom of thought, conscience enshrined in the European Convention of Human Rights.
I hope this is of help but please do not hesitate to contact me if any further information is required.


Case 2
Lambeth Borough council backed down after threatening fines to a group leafleting about nuclear trains:

QUOTE
“Following careful consideration of the relevant statutes that are quoted as authorities we would inform you that it has been determined that the interpretation placed on the wording of the particular statutes by enforcement officers was erroneous and that you were incorrectly told that your distribution of documents was contrary to the law. In these circumstances we apologise for these actions and trust that it has not caused you too much inconvenience.”


Case 3
Two people in Manchester were fined for leafleting, I have emailed their group to find out whether it went to court and what the result was.
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I'm thinking of emailing the Chief Legal Officer of Birmingham City Council as Mahendra Chauhan has failed to give us an answer after our initial email and 2 follow up emails.

Edit: The Chief Legal Officer for BCC is also the author of "Implications of the Human Rights Act 1998 for UK Local Government" so it seems he knows his stuff.

Arcania - May 13, 2008 10:25 AM (GMT)
If we do get this sorted out drawn up a basic template (in this case, A4, although resizeable) for a leaflet. Space at bottom is for text.

user posted image

TehBrummie - May 13, 2008 11:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lulz0matic @ May 12 2008, 06:30 PM)
We can be party? =O

Party Hard!!!

Buckethead - May 14, 2008 07:16 PM (GMT)
If the leaflet thing is sorted, I shall bring loads this time. I'll come pre-prepared with master copies of some to go photocopying and I'll bring like £10 worth of photocopied leaflets :)

Anon76 - May 15, 2008 11:11 AM (GMT)
Rightio,

Here's the draft email to Brum City Council's Chief Legal Officer

Feedback, thoughts, comments?

QUOTE

Dear Mirza Ahmad,

I am writing to you on behalf of a protest group called Anonymous, who have conducted four peaceful protests, in Birmingham city centre, against the unethical practices of the Church of Scientology.

On the last two protests we have had problems with council wardens telling us that is is unlawful for us to distribute leaflets under the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment act 1995 (Free literature consent scheme), despite the exemption for:

Where the distribution is for political purposes or for the purposes of a religion or belief.

We have, so far been unable to get clarification from the council of the extent of this exemption. However, the DEFRA guidelines indicate that, based on European case law, a wide interpretation should be made and that the intention is not to inhibit the right of freedom of expression and freedom of thought, conscience enshrined in the European Convention of Human Rights and the Human Rights Act 1998.

We would greatly appreciate confirmation from yourself that the exemption for political causes does protect our right of freedom of expression in this case.

Many thanks

Birmingham Anonymous

anonsrus - May 15, 2008 11:23 AM (GMT)
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Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment act 1995 (Free literature consent scheme), despite the exemption for:


Capitalise Act, then I think it's good to go.

anonuk323 - May 15, 2008 02:00 PM (GMT)
76, looks good. Just a few comments;

As rus said with "Act" as opposed to "act"
QUOTE
protests, in Birmingham city centre, against
drop the first comma, ie "protests in Birmingham city centre, against "; it flows better.
QUOTE
On the last two protests
I'd change the "On" to "At"
QUOTE
We have, so far been
I'd drop the comma.
QUOTE
expression and freedom of thought, conscience enshrined
I know the HRA states "Freedom of thought, conscience and religion", but I'd suggest dropping ", conscience"
Add a bit about talking to us (general PR gumpf)
A comma after "Many thanks"

With all the edits (even I'm getting confused with them);
CODE
Dear Mirza Ahmad,

I am writing to you on behalf of a protest group called Anonymous, who have conducted four peaceful protests in Birmingham city centre, against the unethical practices of the Church of Scientology.

At the last two protests we have had problems with council wardens telling us that is is unlawful for us to distribute leaflets under the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 1995 (Free literature consent scheme), despite the exemption for:

  Where the distribution is for political purposes or for the purposes of a religion or belief.

We have so far been unable to get clarification from the council of the extent of this exemption. However, the DEFRA guidelines indicate that, based on European case law, a wide interpretation should be made and that the intention is not to inhibit the right of freedom of expression and freedom of thought enshrined in the European Convention of Human Rights and the Human Rights Act 1998.

We would greatly appreciate confirmation from yourself that the exemption for political causes does protect our right of freedom of expression in this case.
If you have any questions or other comments, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Many thanks,

Birmingham Anonymous

ScudMuffin - May 15, 2008 02:58 PM (GMT)
Nice one 76 and 323! See if we can get a posted response too!

Anon76 - May 15, 2008 06:00 PM (GMT)
Thanks for the feedback guys, I agree with all the suggested edits and will send the edited email this evening.

Hopefully we will get a quick positive response.

Swifty - May 15, 2008 06:58 PM (GMT)
yea a quick relpy would be nice

DaftHats - May 15, 2008 11:55 PM (GMT)
I hope the reply is soon, the lack of replies before has been worrying.

LeicsAnon - May 28, 2008 10:39 AM (GMT)
Has there been any movement on this issue?

I have a couple of hours to kill on thursday and friday, and thought I might devote it to seeing if I can help get this moved forward.

anonymitts - May 28, 2008 11:19 AM (GMT)
None so far Leicsanon. So, feel free to do whatever you think you need to do :)

ScudMuffin - May 28, 2008 09:25 PM (GMT)
Is it possible to ring them up on the issue.

LeicsAnon - May 28, 2008 09:34 PM (GMT)
That's what I'm planning to do tomorrow and friday

ScudMuffin - May 28, 2008 11:02 PM (GMT)
cool mate, thanks. i've had my fill of them till next week.




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