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Title: counter-protest?


III - March 13, 2008 11:57 AM (GMT)

on enturb, it has come up that in several places, the scilons are organising protests/demonstrations at exactly the same time and place as the anon ones.
subjects vary, from anti-drugs (no medicine for you, schizo kid!) to 'human rights'.

does anyone know, or know of a way to find out, if such a thing is planned in birmingham on saturday?


it wouldn't stop anything we do, obviously, but it would complicate matters. also, it would be useful for a few people to change signs and such to address the scilons that would no longer be hiding.


it might be that there aren't enough scilons here to do it, I suppose, but I think we should check just in case.

anon1812 - March 13, 2008 12:22 PM (GMT)

Tum Tum - March 13, 2008 12:37 PM (GMT)
We would of known if they had organised a counter protest as the police would of informed ASH

But i think brum COS only has a a couple of hundred followers and about 30 of them are the hardcore payers to the churches funds, so they aren't gonna risk them to counter us.

But i could be wrong.

Lulz0matic - March 13, 2008 12:40 PM (GMT)
Should they arrive -

Initiate Opp Minutes Silence.

Because Silentology (Started as a typo, but I like it,) hasn't even aknowledged some of their followers deaths. =(

Falco - March 13, 2008 01:51 PM (GMT)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Lolita Protestor - March 13, 2008 03:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Falco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Amen.

This is true. Plus should the police turn up we can inform them that they began a counter protest and are perfectly within their rights under article 11 of the human rights act, however, we do hope they'll behave.

BritFagATDI - March 13, 2008 04:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (Falco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Amen.

This is true. Plus should the police turn up we can inform them that they began a counter protest and are perfectly within their rights under article 11 of the human rights act, however, we do hope they'll behave.

The police will turn up. It's not a case of "if". They where there last time, and now it's going to be alot bigger.

Lolita Protestor - March 13, 2008 04:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BritFagATDI @ Mar 13 2008, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (Falco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Amen.

This is true. Plus should the police turn up we can inform them that they began a counter protest and are perfectly within their rights under article 11 of the human rights act, however, we do hope they'll behave.

The police will turn up. It's not a case of "if". They where there last time, and now it's going to be alot bigger.

I vote we are extremely polite and helpful to the police.

Its the best way to get at the sci-fags.

III - March 13, 2008 04:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE (BritFagATDI @ Mar 13 2008, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (Falco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Amen.

This is true. Plus should the police turn up we can inform them that they began a counter protest and are perfectly within their rights under article 11 of the human rights act, however, we do hope they'll behave.

The police will turn up. It's not a case of "if". They where there last time, and now it's going to be alot bigger.

I vote we are extremely polite and helpful to the police.

Its the best way to get at the sci-fags.

that's always been the plan, and was what we did last time.

Lolita Protestor - March 13, 2008 05:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (III @ Mar 13 2008, 04:56 PM)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE (BritFagATDI @ Mar 13 2008, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (Falco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Amen.

This is true. Plus should the police turn up we can inform them that they began a counter protest and are perfectly within their rights under article 11 of the human rights act, however, we do hope they'll behave.

The police will turn up. It's not a case of "if". They where there last time, and now it's going to be alot bigger.

I vote we are extremely polite and helpful to the police.

Its the best way to get at the sci-fags.

that's always been the plan, and was what we did last time.

Awesome.

At least if the sci-fags do lose their rag (which i assume is possible considering they cure they psychological problems with vitamins.) The police can agree we were most amiable.


BritFagATDI - March 13, 2008 05:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE (BritFagATDI @ Mar 13 2008, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (Falco @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM)
If they hold a "counter"-protest, I can only see it as working better for us. They'll be drawing even more attention to what's going on, and if they're protesting outside the building, we can go either end of Ethel Street - that way, anyone seeing the Scientology protest will have already seen us.

Amen.

This is true. Plus should the police turn up we can inform them that they began a counter protest and are perfectly within their rights under article 11 of the human rights act, however, we do hope they'll behave.

The police will turn up. It's not a case of "if". They where there last time, and now it's going to be alot bigger.

I vote we are extremely polite and helpful to the police.

Its the best way to get at the sci-fags.

Yup, done and done. We loved the police. They where awesome.

Hermes - March 13, 2008 06:12 PM (GMT)
So what do shall we do if they do counter us?
QUOTE
We loved the police. They where awesome.
Aye, the men and women in fluorescent yellow were great

BritFagATDI - March 13, 2008 06:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hermes @ Mar 13 2008, 06:12 PM)
So what do shall we do if they do counter us?

Nothing?

Why do we need to do anything.

Liek someone else said, it'll make it more of a spectacle, and draw more people. Plus it's good for people to see both sides of it and make up their own mind.

Hermes - March 13, 2008 06:46 PM (GMT)
10-4

III - March 13, 2008 06:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hermes @ Mar 13 2008, 06:46 PM)
10-4

oh noes! anonymous' sekrit codes!


anyway, yeah. it looks like (as before) each org is coming up with their own specific plans to 'handle' the protests, however un-scilon that sounds.

so we may end up facing the same thing we did last time: pretty much nothing.
they may have some more people out bullbaiting, since the general tactics seem to have shifted from ignoring us except for press release, but i'm sure we can deal with that :)

the thing arnie lerma is reporting about the kids is disturbing, but I really don't think that would happen in birmingham, if it happens anywhere else but clearwater at all.

3dom - March 13, 2008 10:03 PM (GMT)
hmmm, from my experience if there's gonna be a counter demo or the police anticipate one, then they'll put restrictions on the demonstration. It's their responsibility to ensure both groups have very little contact with one another.

When the police do intervene, most of the time this consists of putting you all in a pen, sometimes around the corner, out of sight from where you're protesting. This can be really frustrating.

Lolita Protestor - March 13, 2008 10:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (3dom @ Mar 13 2008, 10:03 PM)
hmmm, from my experience if there's gonna be a counter demo or the police anticipate one, then they'll put restrictions on the demonstration. It's their responsibility to ensure both groups have very little contact with one another.

When the police do intervene, most of the time this consists of putting you all in a pen, sometimes around the corner, out of sight from where you're protesting. This can be really frustrating.

Hmmm, i am sure theres some kind of...hmmm
i am pretty sure we are permitted to protest wherever we please as long as we obey the law and do not BLOCK anywhere.

if so, whoo!

algy - March 13, 2008 11:17 PM (GMT)
you never know..CoS may get violent..that ever happend in one of the protests?

BritFagATDI - March 13, 2008 11:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lolita Protestor @ Mar 13 2008, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (3dom @ Mar 13 2008, 10:03 PM)
hmmm, from my experience if there's gonna be a counter demo or the police anticipate one, then they'll put restrictions on the demonstration. It's their responsibility to ensure both groups have very little contact with one another.

When the police do intervene, most of the time this consists of putting you all in a pen, sometimes around the corner, out of sight from where you're protesting. This can be really frustrating.

Hmmm, i am sure theres some kind of...hmmm
i am pretty sure we are permitted to protest wherever we please as long as we obey the law and do not BLOCK anywhere.

if so, whoo!

If the police tell you to do anything, do it. And it's completely possible they'll fence us of. Not likely, but possible.

Lolita Protestor - March 13, 2008 11:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (algy @ Mar 13 2008, 11:17 PM)
you never know..CoS may get violent..that ever happend in one of the protests?

Yeah, in hollywood one of them kicked a guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoA0mnISlyQ

Hermes - March 13, 2008 11:41 PM (GMT)
If that does happen we couldn't react, we'd just make a report to the police and let them handle it.

anon1812 - March 13, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
So what if they get violent? We'll still live, and then it can be anon suing Scientology for a change... now that'll be a big blue bukkit of lulz.

I'd bet an audit that they wouldn't get violent though. Can't go having bad PR, now can we?

Brumerican - March 13, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
I do not think we will have a physical assault problem. If we do, of course just file a report with the police and let them handle it but I have noticed that most of the Scilons in Brum are rather... quiet and 'non-confront.'

anon101z - March 14, 2008 12:06 AM (GMT)
Other protests are planning on taking whistles..

If the whistle blows all anons sit down and say nothing, this will leave any non-anons still standing and causing trouble.


I think this is a good idea...

on another note, if you go out looking for a fight you WILL find one. This is a general rule in life, lets stay cool and in high spirits. If there is trouble, lets hear the whistles sit down and let the police do there thing.

Lolita Protestor - March 14, 2008 12:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (anon101z @ Mar 14 2008, 12:06 AM)
Other protests are planning on taking whistles..

If the whistle blows all anons sit down and say nothing, this will leave any non-anons still standing and causing trouble.


I think this is a good idea...

on another note, if you go out looking for a fight you WILL find one. This is a general rule in life, lets stay cool and in high spirits. If there is trouble, lets hear the whistles sit down and let the police do there thing.

I really like this idea. I think we should have codes to follow Like buzz words.

Like in america, if someone was getting baited badly they shouted 911!

And anons all protected that anon.

J.B. - March 14, 2008 12:19 AM (GMT)
Oh...kay. So they had those big executive meetings on the 11th to figure out what to do about Anonymous, and this is what they came up with?

My optimistic side says that this is the best they could do as they don't know how to deal with us, but my cynical side is telling me that maybe there is an ulterior motive, or something else much bigger going on behind the scenes...

The sad thing is that we way out number them, so they'll probably have to bus people in from somewhere else...

The buzz words are a nice idea, however they only work if only we know them. We are probably being watched here so the buzz words can be easily exploited.

anon.deplume - March 14, 2008 12:34 AM (GMT)

VERY IMPORTANT...

I know it doesn't translate to Birmingham town centre... but it's always nice to have a plan, and nice to know people are thinking about what to do if they start on us.



" Arnie has gotten some leaked info saying the OSA plans on trying to incite a riot. This is what we have to do: Bring a whistle. If any shit goes down, blow your whistle twice, that's 2 times. If any anon hears 2 whistle blows immediately sit down.
We are peaceful.
They are not.
I can't ask you to let the scilons beat the shit out of you, but if the press gets a hold of that video the win will be cosmic.
We cannot be stopped. "

anon101z - March 14, 2008 07:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (anon.deplume @ Mar 14 2008, 12:34 AM)
VERY IMPORTANT...

I know it doesn't translate to Birmingham town centre... but it's always nice to have a plan, and nice to know people are thinking about what to do if they start on us.



"  Arnie has gotten some leaked info saying the OSA plans on trying to incite a riot. This is what we have to do: Bring a whistle. If any shit goes down, blow your whistle twice, that's 2 times. If any anon hears 2 whistle blows immediately sit down.
We are peaceful.
They are not.
I can't ask you to let the scilons beat the shit out of you, but if the press gets a hold of that video the win will be cosmic.
We cannot be stopped.    "

Agreed,

if you are attacked, it might be an idea to rollup in a ball with knees up to your chest and arms protecting face.

remember, drop & roll. :mask: don't fight back.

Lolita Protestor - March 14, 2008 07:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (anon101z @ Mar 14 2008, 07:23 PM)
QUOTE (anon.deplume @ Mar 14 2008, 12:34 AM)
VERY IMPORTANT...

I know it doesn't translate to Birmingham town centre... but it's always nice to have a plan, and nice to know people are thinking about what to do if they start on us.



"  Arnie has gotten some leaked info saying the OSA plans on trying to incite a riot. This is what we have to do: Bring a whistle. If any shit goes down, blow your whistle twice, that's 2 times. If any anon hears 2 whistle blows immediately sit down.
We are peaceful.
They are not.
I can't ask you to let the scilons beat the shit out of you, but if the press gets a hold of that video the win will be cosmic.
We cannot be stopped.    "

Agreed,

if you are attacked, it might be an idea to rollup in a ball with knees up to your chest and arms protecting face.

remember, drop & roll. :mask: don't fight back.

agreed. Morph ball acquired.

Hermes - March 14, 2008 07:26 PM (GMT)
ADOPT THE FOETAL POSITION!!!
Hey, this non reaction/non violence is kinda like is what MLK advocated

Lolita Protestor - March 14, 2008 07:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hermes @ Mar 14 2008, 07:26 PM)
ADOPT THE FOETAL POSITION!!!

Hence

'Hey...he broked my glasses! And my nosies!'

Yeah...ahem...

anon101z - March 14, 2008 07:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (J.B. @ Mar 14 2008, 12:19 AM)
Oh...kay. So they had those big executive meetings on the 11th to figure out what to do about Anonymous, and this is what they came up with?

My optimistic side says that this is the best they could do as they don't know how to deal with us, but my cynical side is telling me that maybe there is an ulterior motive, or something else much bigger going on behind the scenes...

The sad thing is that we way out number  them, so they'll probably have to bus people in from somewhere else...

The buzz words are a nice idea, however they only work if only we know them. We are probably being watched here so the buzz words can be easily exploited.

I think the idea is that the footage will show Anonymous protesting against a Peace protest... hence "Anonymous is not a peacefull group and protest against groups that fight for peace"

This is what will be shown, but we have to be strong.

It takes astronger person not to fight than it does to fight.. We will stand strong in pride not in arms.

BritFagATDI - March 14, 2008 11:38 PM (GMT)
I think the whistle idea is really awkward to impliment. And nothing stops some idiot (or even a scifag) just blowing a whislte twice.

Good idea, but I don' think it will work.

Plus it only works if everyone knowns about it. Alot of people aren't on these forums, or even part of the internet version of Anon.



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