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Title: Re: Megaphone Sit.


Falco - October 11, 2008 08:01 PM (GMT)
Okay, this is twice we've been told about the megaphone not being allowed, and twice nothing has turned up about it in any web searches, even though we have now been told where to look.

I'll check with my legal associate again when I can about this, just to confirm we're not being blind, but in, the meantime, I suggest a letter/e-mail, either going to someone in the Birmingham Police force (high ranking, ideally, not just a PC), or possible even the CPS.

'Mitts' letter to NETCU, I'd say we adapt this to include the latest incidents, and send it:
QUOTE
Dear Sir/Madam,

You may be aware of the current peaceful, worldwide protests held monthly by the activist group known as Anonymous against the Church of Scientology.

Our protests are always peaceful. We have no desire for conflict with the Scientologists or the police. We are there simply to inform the public of our belief that the Church of Scientology is a corrupt organisation that is harmful and dangerous to its members and the public. Our protests are always held in what could best be described as a street party style. We dress up, have fun, play music, sing, chant very silly demonstration chants and involve the public as much as possible in a fun but educational way. As far as I am aware there have been no arrests for extremist behaviour within Anonymous since our protests began in February 2008.

On the 13th September 2008, the Birmingham, UK branch of Anonymous held a protest in New Street, Birmingham against the Church of Scientology. During this protest we had two megaphones and were playing music, dancing and chanting as we have done for seven months. On other protests the police have only occasionally asked us to keep the noise down or to take breaks, usually due to complaints from business owners. This we have always complied with. We also comply with any requests direct from businesses. However, on the 13th September a Scientologist approached a police officer with a print out from NETCU. In it there was case history and statute that stated that “Pop Up Protests” could not use a megaphone or chant as this may appear intimidating and be placing the views of a minority onto a majority.

Anonymous will always comply with a police officer’s request, so we stopped using the megaphone. We have been unable to find any documentation on the NETCU website containing the same advice that the police officer claimed was in the documentation handed to him. The police officer told us that fewer than 100 people at a protest was deemed a “Pop Up protest”. Yet in seven months of protesting, we have never heard this phrase or been told to turn off the megaphone completely and to never use it again. When asking the police officer what NETCU was, he didn’t say “National Extremism Tactical Coordination Unit” but, “It’s a House of Lords thing!” He also refused to give us the document that the Scientologist had handed to him for our own perusal.

Of course, the police officer’s conduct is a matter to take up with West Midlands Police. I have written to you to seek clarification of our rights in protesting.

Are we allowed to use a megaphone? If not, why not? What are the statutes and case histories that stop us?
Are we allowed to chant demonstration chants?
What defines a Pop Up protest?

You may wish to know what we were doing when the Scientologist approached the police officer. We were performing the Village People’s disco hit YMCA for the public. Whilst doing this other members were handing out leaflets (which we have already cleared with Birmingham City Council). The music was coming out of a megaphone and we were dancing and singing. The public were joining in. It was certainly not intimidating. In fact, the most intimidating actions of the day were those of the Scientologists staring at us and taking photographs throughout the protest.

Our chants are also very silly. Our favourite is: “That is a pigeon” (pointing to a pigeon) “That is a cult!” (pointing to the building where the Church of Scientology is based). The Crown Prosecution Service has already made it clear that the term “Cult” describing the Church of Scientology is not offensive. This chant generally gets a laugh from passing members of the public and a request to know why we are there.

I understand fully why NETCU was created, but I believe that we are not domestic extremists. To class Anonymous as such puts our peaceful group in the same category as bigots and fascists. I have never seen Combat 18 or the A.L.F performing disco hits to the public.

If you can provide us with some clarification of these matters, I would be very grateful.

Yours sincerely,


What do we think?

Falco - October 12, 2008 09:37 AM (GMT)
Okay, 'mitts' letter left there if anyone else wants to adapt it, here's my shot at it:

QUOTE
Dear Sir/Madam,

You may be aware of the current peaceful, worldwide protests held monthly by the activist group known as Anonymous against the Church of Scientology.

Our protests are always peaceful. We have no desire for conflict with the Scientologists or the police. We are there simply to inform the public of our belief that the Church of Scientology is a corrupt organisation that is harmful and dangerous to its members and the public. Our protests are always held in what could best be described as a street party style. We dress up, have fun, play music, sing, chant very silly demonstration chants and involve the public as much as possible in a fun but educational way. As far as I am aware there have been no arrests for extremist behaviour within Anonymous since our protests began in February 2008.

On the 13th September 2008, the Birmingham, UK branch of Anonymous held a protest in New Street, Birmingham against the Church of Scientology. During this protest we had two megaphones and were playing music, dancing and chanting as we have done for seven months. On other protests the police have only occasionally asked us to keep the noise down or to take breaks, usually due to complaints from business owners. This we have always complied with. We also comply with any requests direct from businesses. However, on the 13th September a Scientologist approached a police officer with a print out from NETCU. In it there was case history and statute that stated that “Pop Up Protests” could not use a megaphone or chant as this may appear intimidating and be placing the views of a minority onto a majority.

We complied with the request, as Anonymous will always comply with reasonable requests, and this seemed it to us. However, upon returning to our respective homes, and checking the NETCU website, we were unable to find any mention of “Pop Up Protests.” We then wrote a letter to NETCU, asking about the situation, requesting clarification on the matter. No reply was received.

On the 11th October 2008, we once again held a protest against the Church of Scientology, and, as we had received no clarification on the matter, took a megaphone along. We were approached by an officer even before we had all set up, who also told us that megaphones were not allowed, however, this time he said that this was due to recent changes in Section 5 of the Public Order Act, and again mentioned the phrase "Pop Up Protests." Once more, we complied, and the megaphone went unused for the day. Similarly to the previous month though, upon looking up the statute, and searching for any mention of recent amendments to it, we could find no reference to any changes, or anything regarding the use of a megaphone.

Are we allowed to use a megaphone? If not, why not? What are the statutes and case histories that stop us?
Are we allowed to chant demonstration chants?
What defines a Pop Up Protest?

If you can provide us with some clarification of these matters, I would be very grateful.

Yours sincerely,


Opinions?

over9000 - October 12, 2008 09:48 AM (GMT)
Sounds good to me.

anonstick - October 12, 2008 02:16 PM (GMT)
Looks good to me as is.

The following is what PC Wheeler said to me. This isn't to go in the letter, but just for the record:

Loud-hailer
  • We were not allowed to use a loud-hailer. Under recent case law pertaining to Section 5 of the Public Order Act, we were defined as a pop-up protest, and use of a loud-hailer is imposing our (minority) views, and could be considered harrassment.
  • Anyone who did use a loud-hailer would get a warning.
  • If they did it again, they would get arrested.
I asked if this would apply to the whole group, and he clarified that it would apply to the individual using the loud-hailer.

I told him that we'd researched this issue, as the same situation was imposed by a PC at the last protest, and we'd been unable to find any documentation. Since he was going to return to brief the whole group once we'd assembled, I asked him to come back with documentation, a link, anything. In response he'd only say that we could get it online.

I also mentioned that these protests have been ongoing since February, and we'd notified the police in advance as usual, but he maintained that ours was a pop-up protest.


Section 60:

He also told me a Section 60 was in force, and anyone asked to remove their face coverings would have to do so. When I said I was under the impression that Section 60 was only invoked in anticipation of violence, he said that threatening emails had been sent to the CoS and he'd personally seen them.


DaftHats - October 12, 2008 03:32 PM (GMT)
Threatening e-mails? Faaaaked. Where is the proof it came from a BrumAnon?

Hope you can get this sorted. Is Wheeler inventing things or just creatively misunderstanding the situation to piss you off?

Anon76 - October 12, 2008 04:09 PM (GMT)
Why don't the Police investigate these alleged threatening emails, trace back the IP addresses and find out who is responsible.

I'm sure that none of us would be stupid enough to send threatening emails.

I bet that if they did locate the senders of these emails they would find that the Scientologists themselves have sent them. It's a tactic the Scilons have used before when the BBC were filming the panorama programme they claimed to have received threatening emails then.

If they are willing to accuse the BBC of sending email threats, they'll have no hesitation in using this type of allegation to try to discredit us.

anonymitts - October 13, 2008 08:32 AM (GMT)
Letter sent to CPS today.

*anonymitts patiently waits for reply

over9000 - October 13, 2008 09:35 AM (GMT)
I'll be bringing the megaphone along on the 18th just incase we can get away with using it. Fingers crossed. :D

Swifty - October 13, 2008 10:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (anonymitts @ Oct 13 2008, 09:32 AM)
Letter sent to CPS today.

*anonymitts patiently waits for reply

i get the feeling u might have to be very patient as usual

Falco - October 13, 2008 03:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Swifty @ Oct 13 2008, 11:21 AM)
QUOTE (anonymitts @ Oct 13 2008, 09:32 AM)
Letter sent to CPS today. 

*anonymitts patiently waits for reply

i get the feeling u might have to be very patient as usual

Well, CPS replied when we enquired about the Cult situation, so I reckon we should get something.

Falco - October 15, 2008 06:49 PM (GMT)
I've asked a solicitor I know about any changes to Section 5, they haven't heard of any, suggested a couple of places to look (which I have, there's no mention there), and are going to look into it themself and let me know - seems I managed to pique their curiosity.

Bruce - October 21, 2008 08:39 AM (GMT)
Wheeler acting by himself or is all this megaphone nonsense coming from higher up and if so where and how high ?

Seems to me that if the Police are in receipt of 'threatening emails' from Anon against the cult they should either take some action against the perpetrator or shut up. Do you actually believe Wheeler when he says he has had sight of them?

Have to ask, is Wheeler connected in some way with the Cult or is he just a bit thick ?

It's about time Brumanon byepassed the lowest ranks and put a complaint in against this guy at the highest level, at the very least it may flush a couple of things out - discuss.

Bruce

anonymitts - October 21, 2008 03:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bruce @ Oct 21 2008, 08:39 AM)
Wheeler acting by himself or is all this megaphone nonsense coming from higher up and if so where and how high ?



Seems to me that if the Police are in receipt of 'threatening emails' from Anon against the cult they should either take some action against the perpetrator or shut up. Do you actually believe Wheeler when he says he has had sight of them?

Have to ask, is Wheeler connected in some way with the Cult or is he just a bit thick ?

It's about time Brumanon byepassed the lowest ranks and put a complaint in against this guy at the highest level, at the very least it may flush a couple of things out - discuss.

Bruce

QUOTE
Wheeler acting by himself or is all this megaphone nonsense coming from higher up and if so where and how high ?


Who knows....

QUOTE
Do you actually believe Wheeler when he says he has had sight of them?


Not at all. Same as I didn't believe the CSPOs had come because we "were getting bigger" - so, why go straight to the church then?

QUOTE
Have to ask, is Wheeler connected in some way with the Cult or is he just a bit thick ?


He claimed to be completely neutral to me...

QUOTE
It's about time Brumanon byepassed the lowest ranks and put a complaint in against this guy at the highest level, at the very least it may flush a couple of things out - discuss.


That may just happen :)

Nixon - October 21, 2008 07:08 PM (GMT)
nixons opinion=

fuck it/him and bring them

anonymitts - October 31, 2008 06:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nixon @ Oct 21 2008, 07:08 PM)
nixons opinion=

fuck it/him and bring them

Indeed. The situation is now resolved. The megaphones can be used.

Full post here:

Megaphone approval post



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