I've been sent the following to post regarding Pitmaston. Scilons have had an interest in it and have probably owned it since 7th September 2007. Here is the history of related land deals around Pitmaston. This map will help clarify things.




The area edged in purple, labeled 1, was purchased by Centrepoint Limited on September 7th 2007 for £7,000,000

Dox on Centrepoint from Companies House:

Registered Address: 2nd Floor, 111 Baker Street, London, W1G 6SG
Directors:
• Elizabeth Diane Calcioli: Tall Trees, Rycewood Road, Forest Row, East Sussex, RH18 5LX
• David Bernard Gaiman: Vitality House, 2 –3 Imberhorne Way, East Grinsted, West Sussex, RH19 1RL

On the same day, 7th September 2007, the land was divided in to lots, edged in shades of green and labeled 2, 3, 4 & 7 and sold as follows:

T. H. KINGERLEE & SONS LIMITED bought Lot 7 for £481,000
T. H. KINGERLEE & SONS LIMITED bought Lot 2 for £2,242,500
WOODVIEW PROPERTIES LIMITED bought Lot 3 for £4,250,000
BRIDESTOWE PROPERTIES LIMITED bought Lot 4 for £750,000
TOTAL: £7,723,500

Dox on T. H. KINGERLEE & SONS LIMITED from Companies House

Registered Address: Thomas House, Langford Locks, Kidlington, Oxon, OX5 1HR
Directors:
• Peter John Goddard: Little Levers Cottage, Ewelme, Wallingford, Oxon, OX10 6HN
• David Henry: 29 Home Close, Wolvercote, Oxford, Oxon, OX2 8PS
• Johnathon Charles Kingerlee: Black Knap House, Prior Road, Heythrop, Chipping Norton, Oxon, OX7 5TP
• Richard John Wilsdon: Cotswold House, Cotswold Road, Cumnor Hill, Oxford, OX2 9JG

Dox on WOODVIEW PROPERTIES LIMITED from Isle of Man Companies Registry

Registered Address: Chancery House, 22 Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man, IM1 2TP

Directors: (they have changed directors since incorporation on 22nd August 2007) The current directors effective of 22nd Sept 2008 is:

• Richard Edward Wilkins: Walsh Manor, Walshes Road, Crowborough, East Sussex, TN6 3RB
• Barbara Sharon Bradley: Walsh Manor, Walshes Road, Crowborough, East Sussex, TN6 3RB

(The original directors / Company Secretary when the company was incorporated were Isle of Man based)

Dox on BRIDESTOWE PROPERTIES LIMITED from Isle of Man Companies Registry

Registered Address: Chancery House, 22 Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man, IM1 2TP (Yes it is the same address as WOODVIEW PROPERTIES LIMITED).

Directors: (they have changed directors since incorporation on 22nd August 2007) The current directors effective of 22nd Sept 2008 is:

• Richard Edward Wilkins: Walsh Manor, Walshes Road, Crowborough, East Sussex, TN6 3RB
• Barbara Sharon Bradley: Walsh Manor, Walshes Road, Crowborough, East Sussex, TN6 3RB

(The original directors / Company Secretary when the company was incorporated were Isle of Man based) Yes the details are the same as WOODVIEW PROPERTIES LIMITED. The odd thing is the timing of the change of Directors, Sept 2008.

On 14th Feb 2008 T. H. KINGERLEE & SONS LIMITED purchased the land edged in blue, labeled 6, for £472,500

On 15th Feb 2008 Bridestowe Properties Limited sold off the land edged in dark blue, labeled 5, for £147,000 to ROBERT JOHN MATTHEWS: Woodlands, 127 Kimberley Road, Nuthall, Nottingham NG16 1DD.

According to this the Scilons bought it and sold it on the same day for in excess of 10% profit to 2 probably scilon holding companies registered in a cosy tax haven and a 3rd possibly public scilon investment company.

Source also says principal lawyers (doing the leg work on the buying and selling of properties) in all this:

Hodkin & Co
42 – 44 Copthorpe Road
Felbridge
East Grinstead
RH19 2NS

Now where have I seen this firm before?

All from publicly available documents I am told, but it must have taken a while to put this together.

If scilons are being pumped for money to buy it they are probably buying much of it from a scilon holding company. I wonder if the RTC will end up owning it. If I were a scilon I'd want to know that the "church" pumping me for money to buy something probably already owns it, but hey that's just me.

Thanks dude. That means there's extortion going on, do the members know? Unlikely, time tell methinks.

More info

David Bernard Gaiman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gaiman (Director of the firm that bought the land in the first place).

Walsh Manor is also the address of an Independant (non religious) school cater to boys & girls 10 - 16 which is owned and operated by the Church of Scientology. Here is a link (PDF) to latest school report by OFSTED.

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/oxedu_reports/dow...1204_301643.pdf

some stuff that is now censored

Was the newsletter attatched to this, along with the honour roll? I reckon that'd be useful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr4qL9QD2ns

Can we haves a tl;dr version now? :3

They own it. They say they don't. They're asking for money for something they own.

no, just read the thing

I know pretty well known already, but had confirmation of this today from some person.

confused swifty is confused

This all looks like a good way of making them look very dubious and also gives our local councillors / MP a good reason to start asking questions about them and the site.

yeah, I've got peeps looking into this. more info as I get it.

http://martinmullaney.blogspot.com/2008/11...te-moseley.html

To quote from Mullany's blog

Surely this isn't legal; effectively its the same company guaranteeing itself?
/r/ lawfags look at this (company/accounting/fraud laws are even more dull than public order ones)

Coverage from The Stirrer, essentially a repost of Martin Mullaney's blog:

http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/question-marks...hq-1011081.html


Related forum thread:

http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtop...t&sd=a&start=40


(Edit: another one to keep an eye on, contains a relevant thread)

"Moseley egroup is hosted by local Ward Councillor Martin Mullaney and John Hemming, MP for Yardley."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/moseley/

info hasgone everywhere

Additional information regarding purchase on main parcel of land by Centrepoint Limited on Sept 7th 2007 for £7,000,000. The company bought two titles: WK95593 & WM916290 which they combined.

Can thank you for the opportunity to comment on this messageboard.

As a local Councillor I have to treat every person and organisation equally – this is covered under the Members Code of Conduct. I therefore have to be seen be fair to both the Church of Scientology and yourselves.

Allegations about the way the Pitmaston site was sold off were forwarded to me from an anonymous source a few days ago. I have spent a considerable amount of time downloading information from the Land Registry and Companies House. I need this information since the local media will only touch this story, if it can be backed up with evidence.

As you can see from my blog, I do have some serious concerns about the way the historic Pitmaston site has been split into plots and the bizarre use of Isle of Man companies to own the Pitmaston building and the neighbouring wood. Nothing illegal has happened, but it is certainly bizarre.

I am trying to clarify the claim that the entire estate was sold to Centrepoint Ltd for £7million. Someone left a message on my answering machine giving me the Land Registry number as TW916290 and WK95593. Neither of these numbers come up on the Land Registry Online website. If someone could e-mail me the Land Registry documents at mullaney3@blueyonder.co.uk that would be excellent.

The other allegation that has appeared on this forum and others is that the Church of Scientology have misled the donators about the ownership of this building. I have seen no evidence to support this – but again if anyone wishes to e-mail me evidence I will certainly investigate it.

This link is a recent (recieved Sept 30th) Church of Scientology newsletter: Newsletter

This states that they will be buying the building by the 24th of October 2008. The other various docs in this thread show it has been owned by Scientologists since 2007. As this is a fairly recent newsletter, I'd say that's pretty misleading about the ownership.

In addition, the Land Registry numbers I've been told by an anonymous source were WM916290 & WK95593 - the first being slightly different to the one's you recieved via answering machine. There may be a problem getting hold of these as they are closed (defunct) titles - they should be publicly available, although WK95593 is a scanned document so you would have to get that through the post

Do you have any scanned copies of earlier newsletters? Issues 1 to 5?

I've asked the Land Registry for a copy of WM916290.

If you could post the one for WK95593 to my home address at 12 Southlands Road, Moseley, Birmingham B13 9RJ that would be excellent.

Also, please don't hand deliver it at 2am - someone did that with the 'No Scientology in Moseley' posters and freaked me out.

Unfortunately not. This newsletter was sent to me by a user on http://www.scientologyexposed.com, and that site has since gone down due to the server being hacked. The admin are working on a restoration.

As far as I'm aware, you should be able to request this in the same way as the other - if not, i'll check with the source about getting hold of a copy.

Here's a bit more info on two names in the original Pitmaston post:

Although the Centrepoint link is firmly established anyway, Elizabeth Diane Calcioli is known as Lizzy Calcioli, and she's the daughter of David Gaiman. She's married to Mauro Calcioli, who's another easily verified Scientologist.

Possibly more useful, the Robert John Matthews who bought the land is a director and secretary of the following company:

Oak Tree Motor Homes Limited (05261680, incorporated 15/10/04)

Registered Office:
7 ST JOHNS STREET
MANSFIELD
NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
NG18 1QH

His registered address matches the one on the Land Registry for the purchase ("Woodlands" aside):

Appointed: 15/10/2004 Date of Birth: 24/05/1968
Nationality: BRITISH
No. of Appointments: 2
127 KIMBERLEY ROAD
NUTHALL
NOTTINGHAM
NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
NG16 1DD

The second director of the company is Gary Brian Marsh:

Appointed: 15/10/2004 Date of Birth: 02/02/1964
Nationality: BRITISH
No. of Appointments: 1
CANAAN VALLEY
CHURCH LANE PLEASLEY
MANSFIELD
NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
NG19 7TD

I can't find any links to Scientology for either of them, or the company itself.

Going back to the Honour Roll, and "Rob Matthews", there is some evidence that Robert John Matthews is known as Rob. But then again, so is every other Robert I've ever known, and it doesn't prove anything:

1) Press release on Geoff Hoon's website mentions both the company and "Rob Matthews": http://www.geoffhoonmp.co.uk/press/press_apr08.shtml

2) There are quite a few job ads listed in Google (some only cached) for vacancies in the company, with "Rob Matthews" as the contact. A couple of current examples below:

http://jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/the-caravan-company

http://jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/caravan-company

I suppose it should be stressed that all the other purchases were made in the names of companies, whereas the RJM purchase was made in the name of an individual.

There's some new information (and nice pictures) from Cllr Mullaney in this Stirrer thread:

http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtop...=1988&start=140

Namely background info on the alleyway clearance and conversations he's had with the CoS, confirmation of the £7.7m sell-off and the news that Plot 7 is now for sale. In addition, two of the estate's plots are now separated by a line of newly-planted trees.

Most of this is also included in an update on his blog.

Adding to the above (all taken from that page):

And we thought they weren't going to alter it. Have they got planning permission.

Based on what they're quoted as saying in the Mail, I don't believe they've agreed not to change things. Although it does say in the Stirrer post mentioned earlier that someone walked round the site with a member of the Russell Road Residents Assocation and explained how they were going to care for it.

I don't think boundary trees and the like are restricted provided that light etc isn't going to be affected. But in any case it's not as though they're going to have border disputes with each other.

The previous newsletter, as well as the one we already had in photo form.

May/June Front: http://shup.com/Shup/82400/B-Org-Newsletter-Front.jpg
May/June Back: http://shup.com/Shup/82399/B-Org-Newsletter-Back.jpg
August Front: http://shup.com/Shup/82398/B-Org-Newsletter-6-Front.jpg
August Back: http://shup.com/Shup/82397/B-Org-Newsletter-6-Back.jpg

That answers a few questions, looks like the money side of things, honor role to honor role, is cumilitive (from those two). Would like to see the others if possible, correlate some more info.

Also interesting is the Buildings Plot is the one that cost 4.25m. I'm beginning to see where they get their donation target from.

Theory:

The Plot with the building on is sold from Dave Gaiman to the CoS holders. They then sell this on to the CoS Brum Org. As per usual this will get donated to the RTC. Also wouldn't be suprised to see that the profit made by the company is donated to the CoS.

Theory 2:

All the other plots are private sales. The idea being that the companies buy up the land and then put in the new boundaries. The Pitmaston building is the only one that the CoS actually wants so the idea is to get dave gaiman to buy it and split it down accordingly. All the plots are worked out before the sale because dave knows who wants what. He makes a profit, the others can make a profit, everyone is happy.

Theory 3:

The land has been split into plots so the CoS can buy it over time. This means they have to raise less money and can eventually get their hands on the whole of the pitmaston grounds. The other house has been bought as a grounds keepers/security guards house, job and house come as one. They have been told they can't house people in pitmaston, so any sea org peeps & onsite staff get to live there.

Theory 4: The CoS intends to buy all properties that back onto the pitmaston building. You wouldn't want residents spying on you and getting upset about any noise would you?

Just a point on the 'donation target', I think the £4.25m figure comes from this Birmingham Mail article in April, and it appears to be an assumption based solely on the price paid by Woodview Properties for the Pitmaston lot.

Newsletter #5 and the donor form say purchase and renovations. I don't think we've seen any figure put on what they've actually been trying to raise.

I want to mention this email as well, from 12th March '08 (posted to ARS, Enturb, OCMB and no doubt elsewhere also):

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.relig...9a235be01c6b330

If they give any crap about what people have been told, haven't been told and when, surely a journo, the police or whoever can find out who was there, what was said.

"One of the most historic announcements in the history of Birmingham is going to be made."

Total balls of course but people will remember it.

Was talking to someone who lives and travels around moseley a lot, and they havent heard anything about Scientology moving in at all.

Although they have said they'll talk to the residents association ,what about those people not involved with it?

Info from John Duignan (author of The Complex) suggests that the mystery Isle of Man investors are two brothers, James and Mike Osborne. You can find this on Ex Scn here - pages 3 and 4.

For more info on the Isle of Man stuff and the hidden owners/offshore aspects see Martin Mullaney's blog.

James Osborne & his wife Pat appear on the Ideal Org Honour Roll at the Benefactor level (£35k - 50k), which demonstrates a current link to the CoS. Mike is not listed.

In July a post on Enturb from the same source suggested that Woodview Properties was owned by the two brothers (then unnamed).

It's still not really clear though whether the brothers were just regged to donate or persuaded to participate in the whole land deal (i.e. control the Pitmaston plot on behalf of the CoS). I'd say JD is an impeccable source, but without evidence I don't think we can do much more than point press etc to this as an avenue of investigation.

If anyone can dredge up more useful info it'd be...useful.

The Birmingham Honour Roll itself is worth a second look. The Manchester Ideal Org was apparently purchased in April 2007 by 2 people who are listed in the Brum Roll: Stephen Perry and Piers Springthorpe. They appear as part of a trio with Richard Pickles, who's been mentioned as an Ideal Org financier with ready cash (e.g. also involved in Newcastle - some good advice in that thread).

In other words, /r/ research. I'm sure there are stories here that aren't getting aired, and we could do with additional info on all of this.

An email newsletter from March, originally posted to ARS a few days after the meeting mentioned above:



Original post: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.relig...b6975ec52?hl=en

Looks like the chart that Mr "Hi I've just been regged for my life savings" is pointing to ends at £3m, but obviously there could be a second column or something out of shot.

More likely what he donated.

Yeah, I meant the chart appears to end at £3m. He's clearly pointing at his donation or the current figure.

This is from a Mosely C of E Primary school newsletter to parents, 9th May 2008:

Source: http://www.moseleyce.bham.sch.uk/homedir/M...UP_ENABLED=true

(Edit: it speaks for itself)