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Title: Forum graphics/icon update
Description: or Why all the pretty pictures went away


anonuk323 - May 16, 2009 10:16 PM (GMT)
I'm sorry for the massive downgrade in forum graphics, it's the best I could do in an hour or so :)

The TL;DR first: Rus owns the pretty pictures, he BAWWWed copyright law, new crappy graphics.

Now the long version, and I apologise if I rant here, cuz I'm pissed off.
Rus did all the graphics for the forums a while back, and was the one hosting them; some of them disappeared this morning, and thinking they'd been deleted I backed them up to the brumanon server.

I get this a few hours later;
QUOTE
It has come to my attention that you have made an unauthorized copy of my work, the Brumanon forum button set (the "Work"). I have reserved all rights pertaining to the Work, first published in 2008. Your copy is essentially identical to the Work, being a literal re-uploading of the same image files.

As you neither asked for nor received permission to make or distribute copies, including electronic copies, of the Work, I believe you have willfully infringed my rights under the Copyright, Designs, and Patents Act 1988, and the Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2003

I demand that you immediately cease the use and distribution of all infringing works derived from the Work, and all copies, including electronic copies, of same, that you deliver to me, if applicable, all unused, undistributed copies of same, or destroy such copies immediately and that you desist from this or any other infringement of my rights in the future. If I have not received an affirmative response from you by 20-05-2009 indicating that you have fully complied with these requirements, I shall consider taking further action against you.

The contents of this notice are not to be reproduced.

Very truly yours,

[censored]

Just after replacing the graphics, I get this;
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Thank you for responding positively to the prior notice.

May I clarify now that had permission been asked, no trouble would have ensued.

No. After last time Rus left in a similar cuntish mood, its not worth the hassle.
Thus:
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The graphics have been removed, replaced by a set created using the Tango icon set, before you go off threatening any baseless "further action".

Your IM has been circulated around the other admin to keep them appraised of the situation.

After wide consultation, our response is

FUCK YOU.

Regards,

323, acting on behalf of BrumAnon

And Lo, Rus came to pass into the Retards group.

If anyone can make some replacement graphics that they aren't going to go apeshit over our use of, PM an admin or post here. Ta.

over9000 - May 16, 2009 10:18 PM (GMT)
'323 is a god among men.

ScudMuffin - May 16, 2009 10:44 PM (GMT)
Just had a chat with rus, asked him what happened

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23:21 Rus: rather than contacting me to ask what was going on when ONE picture went down
23:21 Rus: they assumed I was being a dickhead
23:21 Rus: copied all the files and reuploaded them themselves
23:22 Rus: so i served them with a C&D, to show them what me being an asshole really is
23:22 Scud: is it ok if I rehost them and use them on the site then?
23:23 Rus: If I had any copies left, it would - I ragedeleted the lot from my host - may have them somewhere on my HD though


So all you really had to do was message the guy. And a bit more follows

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23:25 Rus: 323 has my number, he could've easily texted me or given me a ring, asked what was up with that button image that dropped
23:26 Rus: but no, they, as a collective, assumed i was being a douche, removed my only way to troubleshoot the goddamn images, and then copied my work without permission


After that, I can kinda see why the guys pissed off.

Also I've removed the namefagging from the op, thought it might be a good idea.

Falco - May 16, 2009 10:51 PM (GMT)
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Rus: rather than contacting me to ask what was going on when ONE picture went down
23:21 Rus: they assumed I was being a dickhead


Not quite. It went down, we were unable to reply to anything, so we restored the "image" for replying back to basic text. This then looked odd, so we backed up the other images, and reverted the similar ones to text too, until we could find out what was going on with it. I'm not sure what happened during the day, first I heard of any copying and rehosting was a forwarded message.

Edit:
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So all you really had to do was message the guy.

When there's no option to reply, effectively disabling the forums, it's not like we have time to message him - especially as he hasn't been seen around for a few days, so we'd have no idea how long we could've been waiting for a reply.

ScudMuffin - May 16, 2009 11:06 PM (GMT)
you guys have his number, you could have texted him. you could have just waited, it wasn't a major issue. not being able to contact him to find out? sod off, you had the ability to do that from the word go. replacing the images? what about using default templates, no harm in that. so the forum looks a little generic for a while, so what?

over9000 - May 16, 2009 11:12 PM (GMT)
Public face is pretty high on the agenda, iirc.

Falco - May 16, 2009 11:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 17 2009, 12:06 AM)
you guys have his number, you could have texted him. you could have just waited, it wasn't a major issue. not being able to contact him to find out? sod off, you had the ability to do that from the word go. replacing the images? what about using default templates, no harm in that. so the forum looks a little generic for a while, so what?

Not being able to reply on here is a fairly major issue - that is the whole point of these forums, afterall.

And so far as I'm concerned, we restored the images to text, backed up the images that we had left here for if/when rus came on to be able to talk to.

ScudMuffin - May 16, 2009 11:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Falco @ May 16 2009, 11:17 PM)
And so far as I'm concerned, we restored the images to text, backed up the images that we had left here for if/when rus came on to be able to talk to.

00:22
[12:04:21] <~Falco|AFK> Anyone else that's not seeing "Reply" options on our forums?
[12:06:11] <~anonymitts> yep - gone - eek
[12:07:44] <~Falco|AFK> rus seems to have removed it from his gallery.
[12:11:16] <~anonymitts> annoying
[12:11:37] <~Falco|AFK> I knew I should've made copies..
[12:19:42] <~anonymitts> fucking about with it now
[12:21:41] <~Falco|AFK> Heh. Two new topics.
[12:21:54] <~anonymitts> lol
[12:22:02] <~anonymitts> just going to revert back to words
[12:22:19] <~Falco|AFK> Uh-huh.
[12:22:29] <~Falco|AFK> I'll grab a copy of the remaining images before they go.
[12:23:58] <%VirionAnon> Do we want new pics?
[12:24:33] <%VirionAnon> by which i mean a replacement for the lost one?
[12:25:16] <~anonymitts> yep - play away and we'll use them
[12:25:20] <~Falco|AFK> 'mitts, if only changing pics for new topic/poll etc, LOCKED will need to go back too.
[12:25:37] <~anonymitts> Rus is probably being a tart

Log says otherwise. TBH I'm pretty suprised with the lot of you. So he's not in IRC, he's not able to post on the forum at 0.2 seconds notice, so you assume it's a deliberate attempt to be an arsehole. It was one silly image ffs! You could have dropped him a text. You could have just waited. Instead you take a route clearly marked arsehole. Nice one.

QUOTE (Joelton)
Public face is pretty high on the agenda, iirc.


One measly image != Public face. Get a grip.

over9000 - May 16, 2009 11:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 16 2009, 11:28 PM)


QUOTE (Joelton)
Public face is pretty high on the agenda, iirc.


One measly image != Public face. Get a grip.

One measly image that basically made the forums redundant for a period of time.

ScudMuffin - May 16, 2009 11:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 16 2009, 11:06 PM)
you guys have his number, you could have texted him. you could have just waited, it wasn't a major issue. not being able to contact him to find out? sod off, you had the ability to do that from the word go. replacing the images? what about using default templates, no harm in that. so the forum looks a little generic for a while, so what?

already stated. OH WAIT, WE'RE DOING THAT NOW ANYWAY.

Falco - May 16, 2009 11:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 17 2009, 12:28 AM)
[12:07:44] <~Falco|AFK> rus seems to have removed it from his gallery.
[12:11:16] <~anonymitts> annoying
[12:11:37] <~Falco|AFK> I knew I should've made copies..
[12:19:42] <~anonymitts> fucking about with it now
[12:21:41] <~Falco|AFK> Heh. Two new topics.
[12:21:54] <~anonymitts> lol
[12:22:02] <~anonymitts> just going to revert back to words
[12:22:19] <~Falco|AFK> Uh-huh.
[12:22:29] <~Falco|AFK> I'll grab a copy of the remaining images before they go.



Copies for backup purposes. I made a copy of the banner months back for the same reason, when imageshack cleared it - rus re-uploaded, we agreed to keep a copy in case of a repetiation in future.
Remaining images before they go = 'mitts was reverting to text, copying in case they were needed again. Context is helpful.
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[12:25:37] <~anonymitts> Rus is probably being a tart

And again, that was 'mitts's point of view. Not mine. Logs do not say otherwise to that.

QUOTE
TBH I'm pretty suprised with the lot of you. So he's not in IRC, he's not able to post on the forum at 0.2 seconds notice, so you assume it's a deliberate attempt to be an arsehole. It was one silly image ffs!

One silly image that disabled the forum. It's no use if there's nothing to reply with, this doesn't give us time to mess about waiting to see what's going on, if it's an error or deliberate etc. And there's a difference between 0.2 seconds notice, and not being seen for several days. I don't recall seeing him online myself for the best part of a week.

ScudMuffin - May 17, 2009 12:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Falco @ May 16 2009, 11:43 PM)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 17 2009, 12:28 AM)
[12:07:44] <~Falco|AFK> rus seems to have removed it from his gallery.
[12:11:16] <~anonymitts> annoying
[12:11:37] <~Falco|AFK> I knew I should've made copies..
[12:19:42] <~anonymitts> fucking about with it now
[12:21:41] <~Falco|AFK> Heh. Two new topics.
[12:21:54] <~anonymitts> lol
[12:22:02] <~anonymitts> just going to revert back to words
[12:22:19] <~Falco|AFK> Uh-huh.
[12:22:29] <~Falco|AFK> I'll grab a copy of the remaining images before they go.


Copies for backup purposes. I made a copy of the banner months back for the same reason, when imageshack cleared it - rus re-uploaded, we agreed to keep a copy in case of a repetiation in future.
Remaining images before they go = 'mitts was reverting to text, copying in case they were needed again. Context is helpful.
QUOTE
[12:25:37] <~anonymitts> Rus is probably being a tart

And again, that was 'mitts's point of view. Not mine. Logs do not say otherwise to that.

QUOTE
TBH I'm pretty suprised with the lot of you. So he's not in IRC, he's not able to post on the forum at 0.2 seconds notice, so you assume it's a deliberate attempt to be an arsehole. It was one silly image ffs!

One silly image that disabled the forum. It's no use if there's nothing to reply with, this doesn't give us time to mess about waiting to see what's going on, if it's an error or deliberate etc. And there's a difference between 0.2 seconds notice, and not being seen for several days. I don't recall seeing him online myself for the best part of a week.

Considering you're one of three people who could of crippled Rus' account I find that hard to believe Falco. Beings the c&d was sent on the back of the account crippling, and concencus would have been reached to cripple the account the reason you can't use the images is down to yourselves. POV or not, you were party to crippling that account.

As for disabling the forum

QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 16 2009, 11:06 PM)
replacing the images? what about using default templates, no harm in that. so the forum looks a little generic for a while, so what?


What's the problem with that? You're using them now aren't you?

The backing up of the images is not the problem. The use of the images is not the problem. Not bothering to contact someone then crippling the only method of trouble shooting the problem they have because they weren't at a computer to reply on a forum or IRC within two minutes rather than making a quick phone call or sending a text message, acting like a twat over something so unbelivably trivial that could have been patched briefly and repaired with ease is.

That is why the C&D was sent.

Falco - May 17, 2009 12:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 17 2009, 01:25 AM)
Considering you're one of three people who could of crippled Rus' account I find that hard to believe Falco. Beings the c&d was sent on the back of the account crippling, and concencus would have been reached to cripple the account the reason you can't use the images is down to yourselves. POV or not, you were party to crippling that account.


Okay, firstly, '323 has mentioned he changed the group rus's account was in. As you'll see from IRC, I mentioned that I was changing the permissions of that group to allow for posting (if only for amusement).

Secondly. the c&d was sent BEFORE the account information was changed.
I received the first forwarded C&D message at about:
CEASE & DESIST rus [ Add to Buddies ] May 16 2009, 07:44 PM
And the account was edited, accoridng to the admin logs, at:
Edited Member 'rus' account May 16 2009, 11:13 PM

In addition to this, there was no consensus on this - the information was changed, we were made aware of it after the event.

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Not bothering to contact someone, crippling the only method of trouble shooting the problem they have, and other general twattery over something so unbelivably trivial that could have been patched briefly and repaired with ease later is. That is why the C&D was sent.


As I mentioned, the "crippling" happened after the C&D. We did patch the problem, by using backups (which, by the way, legally belong to Brumanon, not an individual), and instead of anything about restoring the image, the first we heard of the problem was a C&D.

Falco - May 17, 2009 12:37 AM (GMT)
Oh, and Scud? A request. Please refrain from deleting posts, we're doing this all publicly for a reason. If you object, I'd ask you to move the post into the Wall of Shame - transparency issues.

ScudMuffin - May 17, 2009 12:52 AM (GMT)
1) the delete was one of my own

it said the following

"vhmhmhmh"

why? because i found I couldn't quote two posts in one reply. simple.

2) if you hadn't have crippled the account, the c&d wouldn't have been sent. simple as. unfortunately you've talked too much shite, including use of pointless technichalities ('i didn't kill him judge, it was the bullet from the gun') in this thread for me to believe you lot crippled the account after.

3) you've done your deeds, now the forum looks shite and you look like a shower of cunts. well done.

over9000 - May 17, 2009 12:53 AM (GMT)
Forum will have new, awesome graphics tomorrow. :3

Falco - May 17, 2009 01:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 17 2009, 01:52 AM)
1) the delete was one of my own

it said the following

"vhmhmhmh"

why? because i found I couldn't quote two posts in one reply. simple.


Okay, fair enough with that delete then.

QUOTE
2) if you hadn't have crippled the account, the c&d wouldn't have been sent. simple as. unfortunately you've talked too much shite, including use of pointless technichalities ('i didn't kill him judge, it was the bullet from the gun') in this thread for me to believe you lot crippled the account after.
QUOTE
3) you've done your deeds, now the forum looks shite and you look like a shower of cunts. well done.

The forum icons look as they are now due to pointless BAWing about them being used.

Edit: It was pointed out on IRC that the above screeenshots are cropped. There is a simple reason for this. The first screenshot in cropped as to the nature of PMs - there are other messages in my inbox that should be kept private, and as such, I only selected the relevant ones to show. The second is cropped as the Admin logs also display the IP address of the person performing each action, and of course, that's not something that we would want displayed on the boards

anonymitts - May 17, 2009 07:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ScudMuffin @ May 17 2009, 12:52 AM)


3) you've done your deeds, now the forum looks shite and you look like a shower of cunts. well done.

/grandad mode on

Ooh, be a dear and calm down. Rus hasn't been seen on IRC for well over a week - more like two. In the past he's been known to do some incredibly stupid things (I have irc logs between him and I that prove it - but I don't go and display them on the forum in a rage moment - and believe me one of the logs could have the lad in serious trouble, but I know he was being a bravado idiot. However, Scud, you are forgiven for posting non public face IRC logs involving my thoughts in the matter as I can understand your anger and you've probably calmed down by now.)

The "Disappearence" of the reply button basically made this forum completely useless. We did a quick fix. This will be sorted soonly. And, really, compared to some of the other anon boards, even with the quick fix graphics we still look the best.

Yes, we removed Rus' admin rights, but a simple PM by him to myself or any of the other admins would have had it sorted out.

We've had people leaving in rage before and coming back (Rus being one of them) and we've always welcomed them back and let bygones be bygones. So, if Rus comes back to IRC and the protests and behaves in a not so annoying way then he'll be taken off the Retards group list.

/grandad mode off

anonymitts - May 17, 2009 06:31 PM (GMT)
And now thanks to 9k, we have much better images. Hoorah and all that!

willonomous - May 18, 2009 09:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (anonymitts @ May 17 2009, 06:31 PM)
And now thanks to 9k, we have much better images. Hoorah and all that!

Admittedly, i do like that handsome devil on the brumanon banner :D

over9000 - May 18, 2009 02:50 PM (GMT)
Willonomous is the star of the forums and Stick is the star of the static site. :)
I might alternate the banners and make some that are monthly-theme related. :3

willonomous - May 18, 2009 03:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (over9000 @ May 18 2009, 02:50 PM)
Willonomous is the star of the forums and Stick is the star of the static site. :)
I might alternate the banners and make some that are monthly-theme related. :3

NOOO!!
keep me there!

Curly Coffee - May 18, 2009 04:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (over9000 @ May 18 2009, 02:50 PM)
Willonomous is the star of the forums and Stick is the star of the static site. :)
I might alternate the banners and make some that are monthly-theme related. :3


:) i like that idea

will! give up the spotlight!

willonomous - May 18, 2009 04:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Curly Coffee @ May 18 2009, 04:51 PM)
QUOTE (over9000 @ May 18 2009, 02:50 PM)
Willonomous is the star of the forums and Stick is the star of the static site. :)
I might alternate the banners and make some that are monthly-theme related. :3


:) i like that idea

will! give up the spotlight!

Never! Mwahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

...
okay fine, sounds okay, do it.



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